Christians express concerns over proposed Satanic memorial in Belle Plaine

| June 6, 2017 | 126 Comments

Father Brian Lynch presented serious issues with the proposed Satanic memorial for Belle Plaine’s Veterans Memorial Park at the community’s city council meeting June 5.

The pastor of Our Lady of the Prairie in Belle Plaine, Father Lynch highlighted the dangers of children being exposed to the memorial, which will include Satanic symbols. Earlier this year, the Massachusetts-based nonprofit Reason Alliance Ltd., associated with the Satanic Temple in Salem, proposed the memorial to the Belle Plaine city council. The council later approved it.

The pictured Satanic memorial has been approved by the city of Belle Plains to be on display at Veterans Memorial Park in the southern Minnesota town. Courtesy Satanic Temple

“The inverted pentagrams on the Satanic monument proposed by the Satanic Temple will prompt young people to consider Satanism for themselves and to reject the good moral behavior required for an ordered and peaceful society,” said Father Lynch in his five-minute address to the city council.

He was the only person to testify at the hearing.

Joined by more than 40 people opposing the memorial, Father Lynch explained how the memorial will violate multiple sections in a chapter of Belle Plaine’s City Code. The chapter “addresses nuisances, offenses and restrictions,” he said.

Father Lynch noted that the code states that “it shall be a petty misdemeanor for any person, in any parks or other public lands” to “commit any nuisance or any offense against decency or public morals.”

Belle Plaine became a target of the Satanic group after the city allowed a squabble with the Vets Club over another monument in Veterans Memorial Park. A soldier statue known as “Joe” knelt in front of a small cross. After being taken down by the city earlier this year, the council allowed it to return after complaints from the Vets Club. The city made a section of Veterans Memorial Park “a limited public forum” for privately-owned memorials.

Veterans Memorial Park is centrally located in the town with access to a long trail. Father Lynch said in the council meeting that “children spend unsupervised time in or near Veterans Memorial Park as they travel by way of the Highway 169 pedestrian underpass and the nearby park on their way to school and other local destinations.”

“The monument may also attract pre-existing Satanists to our community as a place for theistic Satanic ritual activities that victimize our children,” he said.

It could lead to a “form of grooming similar to that used by pedophiles,” Father Lynch said, which “Satanists use … to erode a child’s trust in caring authority figures including their parents, teachers and police officers.”

“This grooming is intended to not only make children afraid to report the abuse they suffer at the hands of Satanists, but also, to feel personally responsible for the evil they have suffered as youthful victims,” Father Lynch added. “Most disturbing is the fact that theistic Satanic ritual activities are known to include deviant sexual acts with and among children.”

Following the public forum during the city council meeting, Father Lynch and some of the visitors returned to Our Lady of the Prairie for eucharistic adoration, which ran from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m., followed by Mass. Thirty-one people attended to pray against the Satanic proposition. Participants in the prayers and city council visit included members of the Catholic Watchmen movement from other communities in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.

“He had great legal arguments,” Paul Rennerfeldt, 38, said of Father Lynch’s presentation. Rennerfeldt is a parishioner of All Saints in Lakeville.

Joseph Turner, 28, who attends All Saints in Minneapolis, described the whole experience as “like a strange dream” that a small town “has to deal with the problem of putting up a Satanic statue.”

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  • Baldazzer

    Interesting that a religious organization which has harmed multitudes of children over the centuries is now so concerned for their welfare. If you do any research regarding the intent of the Satanic Temple, you will see it is a humanist organization dedicated to the practice of tolerance and reason and does not advocate worship of any deity, to include Satan. It serves as a counterweight to religious organizations trying to force their beliefs on the larger public. https://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/

    • CLQ24

      It is funny that you would say that the Satanic Temple is humanist when there is has been proven time and time again that they are not. The child sacrifices, the support of abortion, and a variety of other offensives against humans proves that it does not follow that ideology. Also in regard to tolerance, does it practice tolerance when it steals a consecrated host in order to desecrate it? Or does it practice tolerance when it vandalizes churches? If it was truly a “tolerant” organization then wouldn’t they tolerate other religions without going and destroying things that belong to them? You can point out the sins of the Catholic Church all you want but maybe you should take your blinders off and see this organization for what it truly is. Not a humanist organization but an organization that worships evil.

      • Dan Murrow

        It is funny that you’ve confused the Satanic Temple with the Church of Satan, it’s almost like every christian and catholic church wants to be associated with Westboro Baptist Church.

        • KingAdrock

          It’s funny because CLQ24 didn’t even get THAT right. I’d love to hear evidence of a single case of literal *child sacrifice* committed by the Church of Satan. I won’t hold my breath however since that never happened.

          On top of that, he complains about the supposed lack of tolerance by Satanists, in the comments of an article about Christians trying to stop a *veteran’s memorial” purely due to the fact it was made by Satanists. The irony is palpable.

          • CLQ24

            Did a veteran or a family member of a veteran want this or is it just being done because the Satanists want it there? The Christian memorial was asked to be put in place by the Vets Club so are they also asking for this one as well?

          • Jason Carrier

            Establishment Clause.

          • CLQ24

            So basically the Satanists want it there and not the Vets. The Vets wanted the cross but the Satanists wanted their memorial because of using the 1st Amendment right as their argument. Basically they are forcing their religion onto another group. Interesting.

          • Sarah Jones Geer

            No they aren’t. The Constitution requires that if you allow one religion a monument on public property, you must allow them all, else the government has committed endorsement and thus violated the Establishment Clause. It doesn’t matter to the law WHO wanted the monuments- it’s all or none.
            And having a monument doesn’t force a religion on you, unless it’s the government endorsing JUST ONE religion like Christianity.

          • CLQ24

            The vets WANTED the cross. They did not ask for the Satanist’s monument. The Satanists only want it there because the vets wanted the cross. They are only doing it to push their religion. If not, then why not put it on some other public property that would willing take it?

          • Jeremy

            If the vets want their memorial, why not put it on private property?

          • CLQ24

            Probably because the vets fought for our country and deserve a public thank you for the service. They fought for our country and deserve to get what they want which was a cross. If they wanted this monument then fine, let them have it. Yet none of them are standing up and saying this. It is only the Satanists who want it so it should not be forced on the vets and their families because it is public land.

          • Jeremy

            And was every vet who fought a christian? Do you think there may have been others? Or is this monument only memorializing christian veterans?

          • CLQ24

            Again, if they and their families wanted it, great then let them have it. Unless I am missing it, no one from the Vet’s club is saying “Sure, lets represent the Satanists so let’s put it up”. I am going by the fact that the cross was taken down and they protested so they wanted the cross. I do not see them jumping on board to get this Satanist monument. The satanists want to cause trouble and they are using the 1st Amendment to justify their behavior. They are putting it up there because of the issue with the cross not because they have some higher belief that there is a vet that would want it there.

          • Jeremy

            The satanists do not want to “cause trouble,” they would like to honor the vets who fought for our country.

            If the vets are saying they want an explicitly christian monument only for christian veterans, let them put it on private property. If they want to put it on public property, let it be open to all to put up a monument.

          • CLQ24

            And why can’t the satanists find a different Vet Memorial to put it on? Why this one? It seems quite coincidental that they pick the one memorial that was going to take down the cross but when the vets said they wanted it back, it came back. Now they want to put up their own memorial. Where were they before the whole incident with the cross?

          • Jeremy

            Why should they have to find a different one? If it is a public space for memorials, let them use it. Maybe turn it into a memorial park? Put up some native American vet memorials, islamic vet memorials, jewish vet memorials, wiccan vet memorials…

          • Tervuren

            The Satanic Temple would be happy with a non-religious memorial that honored all Veterans, and not exclusively Christian Veterans.

          • Brien

            Stop this useless arguing!! The monument is on ‘tax-payer’ ‘public’ property which belongs to all citizens equally.
            So just shut up about your arrogant religious privilege!
            Either remove the damned religious symbolism or put up all other symbols equally!!

          • Spencer

            Jeremy, its pretty clear they don’t care about “honoring the vets who fought for our country” its pretty apparent its just to troll the public expression of religion by people who would prefer that religion (especially Christianity) were kept out of the public sphere like some toxic thing to be shunned.

          • Amor DeCosmos

            You are making a false assumption that “all” vets want a Christian sculpture on public property and a false assumption that all vets are Christians. Again, you are blatantly wrong in your assumptions.

          • Fedos

            Last I checked, one of the things that the vets fought to protect is the Establishment Clause. Also last I checked, not all veterans are Christian.

          • TwoReplies

            Who are you to claim to know the religious inclination of EVERY veteran?

            Seems to me, it’s YOU and the christians who assume the DECEASED want the christian cross foisted upon their graves.

            Who are you to claim that not ONE SINGLE vet wouldn’t appreciate the satanists?

            Who are YOU to ASSUME that not ONE SINGLE deceased vet could have been a silent satanist, who knew better than you and the vocal christians, that religious freedoms are PERSONAL and best kept to one’s self (as they apply SOLELY to the individual BY the individual)???

          • Jesardnel Vargas

            AMERICAN CONSTITUTION PROTECTS ITS BELIEF IN GOD ALTHOUGH HE IS NOT DEFINED AS A CHRISTIAN OR ISLAMIC GOD BUT IT IS CLEAR THAT IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT HE IS THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING IN WHOM WE SHOULD PLEDGE OUR ALLEGIANCE. THIS IS THE GOD DEFINED BY THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. IF THAT IS THE GOD A CERTAIN RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION PROMOTES FOR WORSHIP THEN IT IS WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IN THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE. WE SHOULD CHECK THE DEFINITION OF THE god PROMOTED BY THE SATANISTS WHO IS SATAN. IT IS CLEAR THAT SATANISM IS THE 180 DEGREE TURN OF THE GOD DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION THEREFORE THEY ARE ILLEGAL RELIGIOUS WORSHIPERS IN AMERICA.

          • Dominic Deus

            Dominic Deus here. When you use ALL CAPS people don’t read your post. Try that again.

          • Tervuren

            I think you need to go read the Constitution. The only mentions of Religion are: 1. No religious test for office. 2. No law respecting the establishment of a religion. Please go read the Constitution and a history book before you expose your ignorance further.

            And stop YELLING!

          • Brien

            Deleted for CAPS!

          • Brien

            Hello!! Excuse me!! I am a Vet!
            NO! I do not want that cross to represent me!!

          • tatoo

            There are Satanist vets. They are entitled to the same respect and monument.

          • TwoReplies

            It doesn’t matter if a single person WANTS the christian monument. If you aren’t going to tolerate satanists, you don’t get to force EVERYONE ELSE to tolerate christians.
            PLURALITY this is the WHOLE POINT.
            Don’t abuse the 1st Amendment, then cry foul when someone does EXACTLY THE SAME.

          • Dominic Deus

            Dominic Deus here. See previous post on ALL CAPS.

          • Brien

            Hello!! Excuse me!! I am a Vet!
            NO! I do not want that cross representing me!!

          • Amor DeCosmos

            Actually, the Satanic Temple wants NO memorials portraying religious symbolism, but if the Christians can’t play fairly and insist on government support of their supernatural beliefs, then in these Great United States, since everyone and their beliefs are equal under the law, the Satanic Temple has an equal right to put up any religious iconography that it pleases. Christians are just sore losers that they don’t get special treatment under the law.

          • CLQ24

            If Satanists wanted no memorials portraying religious symbolism, then why did they create their own? Aren’t they just following the lead of Christians because they created a symbol thus copying them in some small way?

            Again, I attest to the fact that the Vets wanted the cross memorial but I have yet to hear them say they want your memorial. It is not the government saying that the cross needs to be there (remember they wanted to take it down) but the people who served in the military. There is no special treatment as much as the Vets, who are American people too, who wanted it. If anything it sounds like the Satanic Temple is the sore loser who is now wants their religious symbol displayed because they want to be recognized like the Christians.

          • Jeremy

            If it is public land, the vets can ask until they turn blue in the face, it does not mean they have to have it. If they are asking for an explicitly christian monument, they are asking for special treatment. If anyone is allowed to put up a monument, it is not special treatment.

          • CLQ24

            So the Vets want to keep a cross that has probably been there since the memorial was setup. Maybe it meant something to them especially since it might have been there a long time. I don’t know. There is talk of this special treatment that Christians get. I have to wonder if this is what is spurring a lot of this on. The Satanist do not want to honor the Vets. They are more concerned with the special treatment that they perceive the Christians are getting over themselves. They do not like religious symbols so what do they do, they create one for themselves so they can display their beliefs. Already they are contradicting their own beliefs. This is not so much an honoring of Vets as much as it is, I want to receive “special” treatment. Christian symbols are not so much a “special” treatment as much as they are a reminder that there is something bigger than us out there. That someone, Jesus, would die for us like those Vets who were killed in war died for me. Your display is about fair treatment while our display is about someone who has carried the cross before we did.

          • Jeremy

            “Your display is about fair treatment…”

            And why is that a problem for you? Are you opposed to fair treatment?

            “…while our display is about someone who has carried the cross before we did”

            So you are admitting it is a religious monument and has nothing to do with the vets. Got it.

            “Christian symbols are not so much a “special” treatment as much as they are a reminder that there is something bigger than us out there.”

            So you should have no problem with putting up islamic, jewish, native american, buddhist, etc. memorials alongside it?

          • CLQ24

            You are the ones claiming it is being done for the vets. I am just trying to follow your line of logic which you have proven is not the case.

            It has a soldier kneeling before a cross. Soldiers are vets. So yes it has a religious symbol (I never denied that) but it also has something to do with soldiers. Yours is a black box representing your religion.

            Hey, if those other people want to put up a monument that honors soldiers verses something that is done in “fairness” go right ahead.

          • Jeremy

            From the artist –

            “The four pentagrams recall the four corners of the earth – they serve as a reminder to the viewer of the Satanic/ pagan symbols/ ideas sacred to soldiers that sacrificed – The black is a cold memory in mourning and a field of mystery and imagination – the gold is a Luciferian light reflecting light onto the view like a sacred icon. The empty helmet is now a Baphometic bowl of wisdom, a void, a protective vessel of the mind and intellect -memories of the fallen can be psychically deposited, physical notes, names, fruit offering can be left in the monument ”

            It is for the vets.

          • CLQ24

            Basically, you have to have a description to prove it is for a vet. Okay. At best you have a helmet but that is only a bowl as per the description. I must admit that I find it ironic that the description talks about the Baphomet but according to all of you, you do not worship that god.

          • Fedos

            “Basically, you have to have a description to prove it is for a vet.”

            No, it’s obvious to anyone who looks at it that’s a veterans’ memorial. It had to be explained to you because you’re being obtuse.

          • Jeremy

            Apparently you do not understand symbolism and metaphors.

          • Tervuren

            Again irony. No one believes in Baphomet.

          • TwoReplies

            “You are the ones claiming it is being done for the vets.”

            STOP RIGHT THERE.

            Veterans DIED for the COUNTRY, NOT FOR christianity.
            Veterans fight to protect the CONSTITUTION, including the FIRST AMENDMENT.

            So the BEST WAY to honor the sacrifice that veterans made, is to RESPECT EVERYONE’S religious rights.

            The WORST way to honor them is to DEMAND that only ONE RELIGION has any right to place a monument to honor them.

            IN FACT, demanding no one but christians can place anything, is SHITTING ON THE CONSTITUTION, and the freedoms that vets died protecting.

            SO….
            If the CHRISTIANS actually placed the monument there for the vets (and not just to validate their personal religious beliefs), then they should be WELCOMING not only satanists, but EVERYONE that wants to place any monument.

          • Fedos

            “The vets” didn’t put up the cross memorial. “The vets” didn’t put up a stink when the city council said they were going to follow the law. That behavior came from a single extremist religious group.

            By giving that group what they wanted, the city council has no choice but to open the space up to all religious groups. This means that if Christians get to advertise their immoral beliefs then TST gets to advertise their moral beliefs.

          • Tervuren

            Then make your own memorial in your churchyard or other private space. Simple.

          • Tervuren

            You seem to have an irony deficient diet. You may want to fix this with reading.

          • TwoReplies

            Unless EVERY SINGLE taxpayer wants the christian vet cross, then the christian vet cross is being foisted upon EVERY SINGLE taxpayer (veterans, family, visitors, and everyone else).
            It doesn’t matter if a single person WANTS the christian monument. If you aren’t going to tolerate satanists, you don’t get to force EVERYONE ELSE to tolerate christians.
            And this is the WHOLE POINT.
            PLURALITY.
            If christians are going to abuse the 1st Amendment, to force their chosen religion upon others, then they’re required to tolerate EVERY OTHER RELIGION (no matter how distasteful they find it).

          • Jason Carrier

            Not forcing at all. It’s public property. Does not matter who wants what where. If one Religion is represented, others must also have the chance (if they want) to be represented. That is how it works. If it was Private property, it would be a non issue.

          • Brien

            Hello!! Excuse me!! I am a Vet!
            NO! I do not want that cross representing me!!
            Btw, the satanist thing is just a demonstration.

          • Tervuren

            One of the major roles of the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights is to protect the minority from the majority. If you study history, you will see that Catholics are among the biggest beneficiaries of this protection. Catholics were barred from most, if not all states in the beginning. It does not matter what the Veterans think (by the way, I served 11 years in the Army), but what is right. A religious person should understand doing what is right, and not what is popular.

      • Philosotroll

        “You can point out the sins of the Catholic Church all you want…”
        OK. Hundreds of years of torturing and forcibly converting non-Catholics, destruction of the holy sites of Muslims, Jews and Protestant Christians, an extensive history of child endangerment and abuse, continued with the modern practice of defending pedophilia.
        Even just in Minnesota, the Archdiocese paid out $132 million to settle claims of sexual abuse, about 450 cases, which excluded a judgment on 300 separate cases that the Diocese avoided paying out by restructuring.
        So… yeah, you know who’s opinion on pedophilia and child endangerment probably shouldn’t be taken that seriously? The Archdiocese of Minnesota and the Catholic Church.

        • CLQ24

          What happened with pedophilia is inexcusable. I do not disagree with that but I am not going to say that is the only thing that Catholic church is about. It has done a lot of good in the world and people who focus on the pedophilia are short sited and closed minded. Also you comment about the defending pedophilia proves this point. The Catholic Church has the best controls put in place than any other religion let along any other place where children can be found (ex. public schools).

          In reference to the forcibly converting non-Christians, where is your proof in that? I can prove where it says in the Catechism that this is not allowed. Are you thinking of ISIS by chance?

          In reference to the destruction of Holy Sites, have you been to Israel? Have you seen where Muslims took churches built by Catholics and converted them to mosques? Taken the foot print of Jesus and said it was Mohammed’s? Have you read real history about the Crusades where it tells the truth about the Crusades, not the perceived truth. The Muslims were invading, taking over churches and temples, killing and looting. The Crusaders went in there to help both the Catholics and the Jews to free them from the tyranny of the Muslims. It would be like soldiers going into to ISIS controlled territories to free the people and building held captive by them.

          • tatoo

            Since you asked, during the Inquisition, Jews and Muslims had to convert or die. That is why there are Maranos. The crusaders were there not to help Christians and Jews, but to conquer. When they won Jerusalem, they murdered everyone in there, including Jews and any Christians there? During the crusade era, whole Jewish communities were murdered by crusaders and others. I would say historically, Christians have done more killing than any other religion. I could be wrong about that, but Christian hands are certainly not clean.

          • Spencer

            dude, first off the Inquisition while a bad thing, has historically been exagerated by anti Catholic sources (some of which make it sound like they murdered the entire population of Europe). It is worth noting the Inquisition actually improved things by establishing a legal process instead of the lynch mob mentalities of other societies of the day.

            As for the Crusades, yes crusaders did terrible things during the wars. Though some of the massacres are known to have been exaggerated. But would you like to note how the Crusades were in response to Muslim conquests, massacres and persecutions of Christians (and other religions as well). No Christians have to done more killing than any other religion that is inaccurate.

          • Jason Carrier

            The Inquisition is not exaggerated. If it occurred now, it would be one of the worst Religiously motivated genocides we have ever seen.

          • Spencer

            Which inquisition? The Inquisition was a political court system that existed for several centuries and did many different things. Modern estimates of the Spanish Inquisition put the total executions in maybe around 1500 at most over the course of three centuries, which yes is bad to our modern sensibilities but would not be the “worst religiously motivated genocide we have ever seen”

            In fact the biggest I would argue would be from the Atheistic communist regimes of the Soviet Union and China in the 20th century who killed more priests in the course of a decade without trial than the Inquisition killed in the course of centuries

            (groups like ISIS being a still significant leader in the 21st century in that regard).

          • Tervuren

            Again, please study history.

          • Spencer

            I have studied history and the crusades were far more complicated than the narrative of “evil Catholics invading and oppressing Muslims” for one thing, most of those wars were arguably defensive wars in response to Muslim conquests and oppression of Christians in those regions of the middle east. Forced conversions by Christians of Muslims and Jews was actually pretty rare in the history of the crusades.

            The complicated part is that neither side acted monolithically. Christians and Muslims were both very tolerant and in tolerant at different times and places because as it turns out, different groups of humans work and think differently and show different behavior. Religion was a part in these events, but its important to recognize that often just as important and sometimes more important was the politics, economics and individual mindsets of those involved at the time.

          • Tervuren

            These non-linear discussions are a bit confusing. My comment was directed at clq24. And it was in reference to American history. I will try to make more complete statements in this format.

          • Spencer

            apologies then I thought this was part of the crusades tangent

      • The Broker

        “You can point out the sins of the Catholic Church all you want…” but that won’t prevent you from ignoring them entirely while you lie about the activities of The Satanic Temple.

        • CLQ24

          Here is the proof that the Satanic Temple supports abortion. Aborting a baby even if there is a heart beat is inhumane: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/satanic-temple-exempt-heartbeat-bill_us_584f1c8ce4b04c8e2bb1526a

          • KingAdrock

            They’re pretty open about that. How about proof that they literally sacrifice children?

          • CLQ24

            You accuse me about lying about the Satanic Temple so I was responding with proof.

            Abortion is often a child sacrifice. It is the sacrifice of a life on the altar of sexual pleasure.

          • KingAdrock

            Well that’s some impressive mental gymnastics. So when you said “child sacrifices” you were only speaking metaphorically; as opposed to the literal human sacrifices that Satanists are commonly baselessly accused of.

            Yes the Satanic Temple supports abortion, but that’s pretty common in today’s society. Is that really the only reason this group should be opposed? If the Democratic party created a memorial for veterans, would christians turn out in equal numbers to oppose it due to that party’s pro-choice stance?

          • CLQ24

            Look who is doing the mental gymnastics. Well played sir, well played. I have stories about child sacrifices but because the stories did not specifically say Satanic Temple but did say Satanists, I have a feeling you will brush it off. I do not keep a ready lists of stories to prove my points so I have to look them up. I oppose this group because it worships a pagan god that has been around since the Old Testament. I believe in the one True God not a fake one made up by human means because their pride will not allow them to learn the Truth.

          • KingAdrock

            You have “stories”, but are they actually substantiated? Do you have say, criminal cases where someone was convicted for killing a person on an altar to Satan? “Stories” of that exist everywhere, but when investigated they always seem to turn up empty.

            Also I’m quite confused by your claim that the Satanic Temple worships a “pagan god”. Who is that? If you’re referring to Satan that makes no sense. Satan of the Bible does not fit the description of a “pagan god”, and honestly I’d say referring to that being as a “god” of ANY kind is some serious blasphemy for a christian.

          • CLQ24

            Your statue, I believe the name is Baphomet, is the same statue that was called Pan in ancient times. New name, same pagan god in my opinion.

          • Rivs

            We don’t worship Baphomet. Clearly you’ve done little to no research.

          • CLQ24

            You might want to inform the Satanist temple in Detroit then. This was the name that I found when the newspaper was writing about the Satanist Temple putting up their statue in the area.

          • KingAdrock

            Yes, the Satanic Temple created a statue of Baphomet. However Satanists don’t worship Baphomet, they don’t even believe he exists.

            Pan and Baphomet are not at all the same. Baphomet was actually created by the Catholic church during their persecution of the Knights Templar. The church claimed they were worshipping a never-before-heard-of demonic being called “Baphomet” (which sounds strangely similar to Mahomet, the french pronunciation of Mohammed) and that they committed all kinds of blasphemies such as spitting and urinating on crosses. Despite the fact that these absurd claims were widely deemed false even at the time; the church arrrested the Templars, tortured them until they confessed and happily seized their sizable assets.

            So what does Baphomet really represent? The church’s own unthinkably wicked and greedy history; a church which rewarded a group of men who’d dedicated their entire lives to the service of God by slandering, torturing, disgracing and robbing them.

          • Tervuren

            Clq24 is irony deficient. I am not sure explanations will help. I have tried.

          • Amor DeCosmos

            No, Baphomet and Pan are not the same at all. Also, the Satanic Temple does NOT worship Baphomet. Seriously, man, you have no understanding at all of what you are talking about!

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(god)

          • TwoReplies

            Christianity (and EVERY celebration that christians celebrate) were ALL stolen from previous “pagan” religions.
            Easter = German ?ostre. Try to explain eggs and rabbits with the bible. I dare you. ?ostre on the other hand was associated with fertility symbols, including hares and eggs.
            Oh look…. New name, same pagan god.

          • Amor DeCosmos

            Satan is not a pagan god. It was invented by Christians. It’s in the Bible. You really need to think before you type.

          • CLQ24

            So you created a statue of Baphomet and put it up as a symbol of your belief in Detriot. Yet you do not worship it. So why does it represent your group again? Why spend the money and fight to have it put up if it has nothing to do with your temple? Also I like how all of you keep saying that I said Satan is a pagan god. He is not a pagan god but a fallen angel. He was so wrapped up in his envy that he rejected God and thus became fallen and now leads other astray from God for his own selfish means.

          • sTv0

            If, by “god” you refer to the god of the Bible, isn’t he a murderer of children? I’d swear it’s in his book…in graphic detail. By the millions, as a matter of fact.

            Indeed, there is one passage in his stupid book where he not only threatens to kill a baby just after it’s born, he makes it sick and tortures is for seven days before he kills it.

            Some god, eh? In our modern society, we’d lock him up and throw away the key.

            You worship this god, CL, and you chastise those who follow the tenets of Baphomet?

          • CLQ24

            I am not entirely sure what passage you are talking about so I cannot speak to that. The killing of children in the Bible were often people sacrificing their children to the pagan gods. God called for the conversion of those people but their harden hearts would not allow them too so they kept doing it. God gives us free will so he will not force himself on us. That is why he does not force you to worship him. From my studying and praying, I have found a God that loves but it is all in how you read it and learn about it.

          • sTv0

            I would doubt, from your response, and from your comments about The Satanic Temple, that you bother to read not only the seven tenets of TST but your own stupid holy book, as well.

            Shame on you.

          • CLQ24

            Well I am not in the habit of reading something that would be harmful to my soul. I am not ashamed to admit that. You like to tell me that I should read your stuff yet have you taken time to read the Bible and Catechism? It goes both ways, you know.

          • sTv0

            In 2 Samuel 12 – 19, your god sickens a baby, tortures it for seven days, and then kills it. “15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill…18 On the seventh day the child died.”

            Your willful ignorance of this passage does not grant you the right to judge TST.

            It only shows how willfully ignorant you have consciously chosen to live.

            Shame on you.

            As for the Catechisms, #2357 clearly shows how anti-gay the Catholic Church truly is: “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law.”

            Science has clearly shown in study after study that homosexuality is normal in nature and is expressed in hundreds of species, including humans.

            http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

            To ignore the facts and the truths of these issues is a shameful way to live as an adult in our society. You further soil yourself by proclaiming TST to be committing “child sacrifices: “I have stories about child sacrifices but because the stories did not specifically say Satanic Temple but did say Satanists…”

            Yet you provide no evidence to support your claim.

            I suggest you pick up a biology text book and read it, except for the fact that you incriminate yourself by stating “I am not in the habit of reading something that would be harmful to my soul. I am not ashamed to admit that.”

            Perhaps you should show some shame.

          • CLQ24

            In reference to passage from Samuel, this was written by Jews who believed in what would be likened to a prosperity Gospel. This means that if someone was rich for instance then they were blessed. On the flip side if a woman was barren then she was cursed. Therefore when you read that the Lord struck the baby, the baby could have been born with a deformity or illness or maybe prematurely. We do not know because it does not specifically say what was wrong. Regardless if the baby did not live, the Jews would have seen it been done by God’s hand verses something that happens to certain babies. Remember science was not advanced in the Old Testament.

            In reference to your Catechism quote, did you not read the next paragraph? It says in it that “they must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” What you are missing in the paragraph you quoted is the word “acts” which talks about sexual activity. Just like single heterosexual persons, the Church calls them to refrain from sexual activity outside marriage. Just to clarify, the Church believes that marriage is between a man and women which is shown in Gensis. There is no discrimination for either sexual orientation when it comes to sex outside of marriage. Also this is a belief that most Protestant groups held until recently when they decided to go with popular opinion verses God’s law. Before you say there is nothing wrong with homosexual sex let’s keep on mind that they have higher STD and depression rates then heterosexual.

            It is great that you talked about a biology book. Thank you for the recommendation and I have read several. If you support abortion, maybe you should take a look at one to see when a baby is conceived thus becoming human. Satanists are quotes as saying they are not persons while in the womb.

          • sTv0

            “Therefore when you read that the Lord struck the baby, the baby could have been born with a deformity or illness or maybe prematurely. We do not know because it does not specifically say what was wrong.”

            Yes, we do. It’s right there in those passages that you conveniently ignore because they don’t fit your narrowed world view: “the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill”.

            Your god made the child sick. Your god tortured and killed the baby.
            Guilty as charged. End of discussion.

            “Remember science was not advanced in the Old Testament.”

            Science didn’t exist at that time, hence we should not rely on ancient texts for scientific inquiry. I’m glad you agree with me.

            “What you are missing in the paragraph you quoted is the word “acts” which talks about sexual activity. Just like single heterosexual persons, the Church calls them to refrain from sexual activity outside marriage.”

            The Church also condemns: “They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

            You again conveniently ignore what the Church clearly says in condemning our LGBT brothers and sisters. You ignore it because it’s no longer socially acceptable to be anti-gay, so you have to hide it by pretending to “accept” homosexuals when you know you’re in public, but in private and especially around other Christians you’re more comfortable putting on display your anti-gay face.

            “Before you say there is nothing wrong with homosexual sex let’s keep on mind that they have higher STD and depression rates then heterosexual.”

            Evidence, please.

          • TwoReplies

            “Before you say there is nothing wrong with homosexual sex let’s keep on mind that they have higher STD and depression rates then heterosexual.”

            Ever consider depression could be because assholes like yourself are telling them that they’re abominations, sinners and are going to hell?
            As for the “higher STD” claim…. [CITATION NEEDED]
            (Claiming something doesn’t make it true, no matter how hard you wish/pray.)

            If you can’t provide verifiable evidence, your claims are worth NOTHING.

          • Jeremy

            You do realize that most atheists are former christians of some flavor or another, many of which have read and studied the bible for a large portion of their lives.

            And, hey, lets look at these tenets that could ruin your soul.

            One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.

            The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

            One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

            The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.

            Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.

            People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.

            Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word

          • TwoReplies

            How CONVENIENT it is, that educating yourself about OTHER beliefs, so you know what you’re talking about, is “harmful to your soul”.

            I have no doubt that sTv0 HAS INDEED read the bible.
            He in fact ACCURATELY referred to passages that you YOURSELF are unaware of.

            But really, the FASTEST way to make someone an Atheist, is to encourage them to read the bible. ;-]

          • Satanic_Panic

            How does the idea of free will comport with “god” drowning everyone (except noah and the clan) because they were doing things that “god” didn’t want them to?

          • Amor DeCosmos

            I’m not a Satanist, I am an atheist. We don’t believe in any gods. The problem is, Christians think they can use the US government to promote their supernatural beliefs. This is absolutely anti-American. America is a place of equality and freedom, not a place where other regions are forced on people by the government. That’s called a theocracy and as much as Christians might wish to live in a theocracy, it is the opposite of what the founding fathers of the USA tried to create.
            Since USA was built on the concept of equality, if one religious group gets to promote their religion through government sanctions, then all religions get to promote their religion through government sanctions.
            I also don’t believe in Shiva or a divine Buddha, but I will certainly defend other people to promote their religion if the government is giving special rights to promote Christianity. If the Christians get a sculpture, everyone should get a sculpture. Why is it so hard for Christians to understand tolerance and fairness?
            I support the Satanic Temple because I am a proud American who supports the constitution and believes in equality for all people.

          • TwoReplies

            “I believe in the one True God not a fake one made up by human means”

            Uhhh, do tell us what you think is your “one true god”.
            And after you do that, explain to us how YOUR DEFINITION of “one true god” isn’t made up by you. X-D

          • TwoReplies

            Again, you REALLY need to learn the difference between “proof” and “media sensationalism”.

          • Tervuren

            This is getting silly. Please give evidence for any human or fetus sacrifice by the Satanic Temple, of any similar group. Evidence, not some story you heard in Sunday School.

          • Tervuren

            No, there is no child sacrifice. That has been the lie throughout history used to attack the other. The Satanic Temple promotes state – church separation, and they promote personal freedom. Yes, abortion is a personal freedom they support. But so do the majority of Americans.

          • Fedos

            Wow, the Satanic Temple believes that women should be considered fully human and given full rights as citizens. How evil of them.

          • TwoReplies

            You REALLY need to learn the difference between “proof” and “media sensationalism”.

          • Brien

            Fine, so live with their monument on our public site, since you demand your cross – they too have a right to the public land.

      • Amor DeCosmos

        “The child sacrifices” – you just made that up. Neither the Satanic Temple nor The Church of Satan has never, ever, ever sacrificed a child. In fact, the satanic Temple teaches after school classes to children to help them become functioning members of society. If you have no idea what you are talking about when referencing the Satanic Temple, then please stay out of the discussion instead of making up lies to defend your false beliefs.

      • zeveroare rules

        Child sacrifices? You listen to your pastor too much.
        You do know what the satanic church preaches or haven’t you even read the satanic bible? I’m sure you have not or you would see how very wrong and stupid your claim is.
        Don’t get me wrong, I’m an Atheist, so either worshipping is equally retarded to me.
        The satanic church preaches freedom, in so far that freedom does not violate someone else’s freedom. They tell you to do whatever you want as long as you let someone else do just that. Never do they want you to sacrifice children, that’s just the silliest thing ever 🙂

      • zeveroare rules

        Oh and go on, defend your church of child molesters 😉

      • Tervuren

        Do you have any evidence for your accusations? There is no known evidence for there being any actual organized Satanists. Most groups that call themselves Satanists, like the Satanic Temple, are Humanist groups using humor and irony to make their points. Again, the Catholic Church should never talk about child sexual abuse; that just causes the rest of us to point and laugh.

      • Brien

        You have gotten your data from Hollywood!!

    • Blogvader

      That’s puzzling to me as well.

      I live in KC, where Bishop Robert Finn knew a priest was making children have sex with each other for his own entertainment, and Robert Finn didn’t go to the police. He covered it up and admitted in court.

      The Catholics still gave him his job back, where he remained for years, even under the current supposedly-progressive pope.

      Catholics should not speak about child molestation.

  • Seth

    I hope somebody captures any Satanic activity aimed at children. The Satanic statute must surely have had a profound affect if folk have to fight off the powers of the Devil when they gaze upon it.

    • Dan Murrow

      You have to look no further than the Catholic church to find paedo gangs called preists. Of course they never get locked up, they just get transferred to another diocese.

    • Pithecanthropus

      I hope someone does, too. I’d like people to see that children can use reason and science just as much as adults can. The more we can get them moved away from superstition, the better.

    • TJ

      Pedophile cannibals like you will be hunted.

    • Amor DeCosmos

      Here is Satanic activity aimed at children. “After School Satan”. All After School Satan Clubs are based upon a uniform syllabus that emphasizes a scientific, rationalist, non-superstitious world view.

      https://afterschoolsatan.com/

  • Croquet_Player

    “It could lead to a “form of grooming similar to that used by
    pedophiles,” Father Lynch said, which “Satanists use … to erode a
    child’s trust in caring authority figures including their parents,
    teachers and police officers.” This from a guy who’s an official in an organization which has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on thousands of child rape cases. Oh, the irony.

  • Camilla Broderick

    no satanist rituals involve children. in fact i’d argue that catholic rituals are more of a harm to children given their track record.

  • DeaconDee

    It would seem the world’s largest, longest-running, organized child-sex syndicate is worried about competing for the innocence of children.

  • Leyla1001nights

    It’s all or none.

  • Kelly A

    he would be the expert on molesting children

  • TJ

    No special rights for Christian filth.

  • Sarah Jones Geer

    Satanists actually have a very strict code of conduct- they don’t even allow minors to be in their religion because they so value free will.
    It’s also SERIOUS irony when a member of the Catholic clergy says Satanists will abuse children then try to keep them quiet about it.
    Also, shouldn’t this guy do his research and be aware that the Satanic Temple is NOT an example of theistic Satanism? From their website: “religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan.”

    Look- you either are for the Constitution or against it. Constitutional tenets require that if you open up public lands to any religious display, you MUST allow them all. It’s all or none, otherwise the government has committed endorsement and thus violated the Establishment Clause. There are plenty of religions and non-religious philosophies that find Christianity harmful, abusive, and immoral- that doesn’t mean that they’d be able to block a Christian monument if other religious displays were allowed. Again- allow one, you must allow all.

    • Spencer

      my issue is that the Satanist monument is not in the spirit of publicly practicing and displaying one’s religion (which I think is good, and I would support Lutheran, Catholic Jewish or Muslim etc) but that their whole thing is basically as an anti theist troll demonstration. Like if there was a Jewish monument and a group calling itself the “Church of Hitler” demanded a monument next to it.

  • CanuckAmuck
  • Amor DeCosmos

    Wow, the severe lack of understanding about Satanists in this article is amazing. It’s amazing how Christians just make up stories about things they don’t understand. The laziness and ignorance of Christians who say, “I don’t understand it, so… pedophilia”.

    Father Lynch needs to read the Seven Tenants of Satanism to see that Satanism is much more ethical, better for our society, and better for our planet than Christianity and the Ten Commandments.

    https://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/tenets/

  • Eric Collier

    Name a single known instance of Satanists engaging in child sacrifice or molestation. Count the numbers of Catholic priests who have buggered young boys and girls.
    (BTW, I’m a veteran and I approve of this memorial.)

  • DoctorDJ

    Father Brian Lynch wants those youngsters all to himself.

  • tatoo

    The pot calling the kettle black.

  • Oh No! The Satanic Temple might lead children away from the world’s largest organized paedophile ring. The horror!

  • Fedos

    Delusional halfwit Brian Lynch is projecting.

  • TwoReplies

    “and to reject the good moral behavior required for an ordered and peaceful society,”

    Lynch is talking out of his own ignorance here. He’s implying that anyone that doesn’t adhere to HIS personal religious views must not have morals, or must be IMMORAL.

    “The monument may also attract pre-existing Satanists to our community as a place for theistic Satanic ritual activities that victimize our children,”

    Again, Lynch is speaking out of his ass here, too. He obviously hasn’t taken a second to do his research into what TST and the 7 tenants is even about (which is arguably FAR MORE MORAL than many (if not MOST) lessons the bible espouses).

    “form of grooming similar to that used by pedophiles,”

    Here is where Lynch could actually be PROJECTING, as there have been INFINITELY MORE convicted pedophile parishioners harbored and defended by Christian churches, than by TST.

    “Most disturbing is the fact that theistic Satanic ritual activities are known to include deviant sexual acts with and among children.”

    WHAT? Uh, Nope.
    That is Lynch TOTALLY PROJECTING Christianity, with it’s paedophile priests molesting altar boys.

    Lynch is seriously an ignorant slanderous troll.

  • zeveroare rules

    So, child molesting priests have an issue with the Satanic church because of possible child molesting?
    It’s soo stupid it’s not even funny.

  • Dominic Deus

    Dominic Deus here.

    Are you bullsnotting me? 88 comments on a Satanic monument that looks like a fortune-telling Eight Ball only a cube instead ball.

    Think of all the really relevant issues of human values, human suffering, and the existential questions that surround those issues. Did they get 88 comments? No.

    This isn’t Satan come to Belle Plaine, This is drivel. Belle Plaine is probably stuck with it but I actually think their decision to have a private monuments section skirts the issue of religious symbols in a public space pretty well. I am pretty sure the residents of Belle Plains can come up with some private monuments that are much more imaginative that a black plywood box with birdbath helmet on top of it.

    How about a monument to the Church of the Holy Walleye? Or the Tater Tot Hot Dish Memorial? Church of Cheetos? A clown monument–clowns are actually scary wheres Satan is just sooooo 20th century. Evil monuments? Got,em covered. Flouride, GMO corn, gluten and cellphones. The possibilities are endless.

    Anyway, I contacted my old friend Michael Archangel whose job it is to “thrust Satan into Hell.” He says he doesn’t bother with that anymore because Satan is so nothing compared to super heroes like Thor or Wonder Woman. So chill everybody–kids will think it’s silly–and they will be right 😉

    Dominic

  • Brien

    Don’t like the ‘others’ monument? We don’t like yours!
    Sounds reasonable? Yes – it is reasonable!
    It is on public land – MY land – tax payers’ land!

  • spiritwebmaster

    Belle Plaine Catholics lead resistance to Satanic Temple veterans monument http://ow.ly/obFa30cAMGZ